Harold B. Estes: True or false e-mail?

This is another email making the email rounds. I am posting it to let you know it is unverified. If you can verify it, please feel free to comment. Even “Snoops” does not know.

This venerable and much honored WW II vet is well known in Hawaii for his seventy-plus years of service to patriotic organizations and causes all over the country. A humble man without a political bone in his body, he has never spoken out before about a government official, until now. He dictated this letter to a friend, signed it and mailed it to the president.

Dear President Obama,

My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year. People meeting me for the first time don’t believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert.

I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos’n Mate. Now I live in a “rest home” located on the western end of Pearl Harbor, allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service to my country.

One of the benefits of my age, perhaps the only one, is to speak my mind, blunt and direct even to the head man.

So here goes.

I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do, but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.

I can’t figure out what country you are the president of.

You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like:

” We’re no longer a Christian nation”

” America is arrogant” – (Your wife even announced to the world,”America is mean-spirited. ” Please tell her to try preaching that nonsense to 23 generations of our war dead buried all over the globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from tyranny and hopelessness.)

I’d say shame on the both of you, but I don’t think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.

After 9/11 you said,” America hasn’t lived up to her ideals.”

Which ones did you mean? Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British? Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a slave to another man, that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War? I hope you didn’t mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers, husbands, and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around, because we stand for freedom.

I don’t think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.

Take a little advice from a very old geezer, young man.

Shape up and start acting like an American. If you don’t, I’ll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue. You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like slaves.

And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don’t want us to do what you did when that white cop used force to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts, who was putting up a fight? You don’t mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don’t want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are, terrorists.

One more thing. I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life, but you’re the Commander-in-Chief now, son. Do your job. When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him. But if you’re not in this fight to win, then get out. The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you’re thinking of.

You could be our greatest president because you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president.

You’re not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy. That’s not our greatest threat. Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now.

And I sure as hell don’t want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle.

Sincerely,

Harold B. Estes

TCU Nation

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28 Responses to Harold B. Estes: True or false e-mail?

  1. Ralph says:

    This is just more right wing propaganda put out by the right wing hate America group. What Estes is alleged to have said doesn’t make sense anyway in light of the good things that have happened, and the great promise of tomorrow because we finally have a competent president

    • James says:

      Ralph, please explain what you mean by “We finally have a competent President”

      Tell us the good things he has done and not the good intentions he has or is trying.

      Statistics, facts and figures.

      Please don’t bring Bush into this. We are talking about Obama and his track record of being competent.

      p.s. What part of what Estes didn’t make sense. Did you email Estes and ask him direct?

      • gcdaz says:

        Agreed. The email may be false. The sentiment is true. Obama kept the change and kept us in the same wars he promised to get us out of. People who “love” American must “love” the Constitution and get rid of all of this “Patriot” act, all gun-controls and quite giving our money to foreigners who do not appreciate the gesture.

    • cb says:

      I a member of the right wing and I do not hate America. I love my country and what it stands for. Mr. Estes is right on with every comment in his letter. The great promise of Obama should scare the daylights out of every honest freedom loving American. You have the freedom to post your comments thanks to those who went before you and secured that right. I doubt you would do the same for this great country. Change for the sake of change is not very smart. I agree there need to be changes made across the board but not the changes they are talking about in Washington now. Those changes will bankrupt our country….if we aren’t there already.

    • Martin says:

      Here we have a classic example of a moron….nothing else.

  2. Matt says:

    This E-mail is most likely false. I would guess that if he was that honored and that recognized that he would know how to get the letter to the white house without having it leak into millions of emails. The gesture in the letter though is true. Obama has increased taxes, kept troops over seas w/o doing successful withdrawl, spent more money for the US to print that isn’t backed by gold, has denied that America is christian (I’m agnostic by the way, but America is one nation under GOD), as well as made us appear weak and inferior to other countries around the world. His first broadcast was on the Al Jazeera network for his first broadcast as the president. He sounds good when he talks and continues with his party’s and his own plans. Socialized medicine now. Take away the motivation to join the medical field by lowering pay. Make people die waiting in line. 6 months to get a mamogram for cancer checks. If you believe any of this is wrong, do some research. You’ll see.

    • gcdaz says:

      Your statement as an agnostic is very interesting. If one takes apart the Constitution and examines it carefully, they will find that many of the concepts are taken from the morals taught in the Holy Bible. One of the concepts is that you do not take from those who work to give to those who will not. I grant you that we see various examples of “Christians” today who do not follow the concepts much less read what they are. I will point out that Obama is not responsible for much of the mess we find ourselves in today. That occurred through all presidents who decided not to take on the Federal Reserve who is responsible for our fiscal mess. Your comment, however, sounded like that of another agnostic writer some may be familiar with. He is the “go-to” guy when liberals deem that this country was not founded on a Christian basis. In fact, he wrote various essays on problems he found with the Bible. He also wrote one very stirring essay. It began with, “Now is the time for ALL GOOD men to come to the aid of their country.”

  3. Jim M says:

    I hope he did write and send this letter to the president. The unfortunate problem would be getting the arrogant man to even read it, let alone do anything about it!

    The lack of leadership regarding our faithful military could be considered the tip of the problem. The unfortunate truth is, all I have ever heard from the man is talk. He and the rest of the Democrats have great ideas of how to spend much money we don’t have, but no real plan where to get it from. I get a charge out of the great debates about the health care system. All I have ever heard about nations that have nationalized health care has been pretty negative.

    God bless us all!

  4. Patria says:

    If Harold isn’t an actual person, too bad. I would love to shake his hand and say thank you- for his service to the USA and for speaking the truth about what Obama is doing to America. He’s acting fiscally irresponsible, is a bend-over president when it comes to foreign affairs, and wants to punish the wealthy for their good fortune. My family is far from wealthy, and I’m fine with that. I don’t expect others to foot my bill or give to me to make us more financially equal. We all should be willing to work for ourselves, and Harold understood that.

    And Matt, the man is 95. You really think he was responsible for all of this attention to his letter? If I had typed this for him, (and that would’ve been an honor), I would’ve asked him if he minded me passing it on to a few friends.

    Thank you Mr. Estes!

  5. bruce says:

    I think not Master Chief was not established in the Navy until 1958, So he can’t be one, and there were only 150 who were promoted on that day.

  6. Chuck Braden says:

    Aloha!

    Harold Estes is indeed real. I had lunch with him at my Rotary club (Waikiki Rotary) the day before Thanksgiving. Harold proudly acknowledged his letter to President Obama that is circultating the internet.

    While I do not always agree with everything Harold says, I deeply respect his courage for speaking his mind on what he believes.

    • gcdaz says:

      I know what you mean. There was one point I disagree with him on, but the letter as a whole says it all. Kind of like Joe Wilson when he said, “You lie!” He spoke for all of us who wanted to say it. But the Master Chief has nothing to apologize for. Just let us know when he starts his run for President, will you?

  7. JB says:

    Hey Bruce, do your math. He joined the military in 1934 and did 23 years. That would be until early 1958 if he joined at the end of 1934.

    • Lee says:

      ****** And the very first promotions to Senior Chief (E8), and Master Chief (E9), didn’t occur until November of 1958 — and there were only a few. After that, promotion to E9 required a few years of service as E8. The only way Estes could have made it is if he had a period of broken service, returned to a lower pay grade (the navy has always had a surplus of Bos’n Mates, with the possible exception of wartime), and met the time requirements the promotions up to E9.

  8. Mike says:

    I defy any of you neoCONs to produce the words “We are no longer a Christian Nation” from the Obama speech that this Hoax is based upon! How Typical of the lot of You! Put this Brave Hero on U Tube, & lets See HIM say “Obama said this” to America’s Face! So much for being the Party of God! & Thank You for using another American Service man to pander your Failed bushCo. agenda! Have you checked out the False Chuck Yeager/Anti John Kerry Propaganda? Apparently AWOL A.N.G.ers are deemed acceptable in the eyes of the Christian Right?

    • gcdaz says:

      You are right. We were founded a Christian nation. We have always been a Christian nation. And always will be a Christian Nation. And by the way, you won’t find any Bush/Cheney support on this blog. I dislike Fascism as much as Communism. But since you worship this person so much, why don’t you write and ask him why he did not pull out of Afghanistan as he promised he would during his campaign? Why don’t you ask what health care is really all about (meaning it is about enslaving and controlling the people)? Why don’t you ask him why he extended and expanded the Patriot act that he was so vocal against when Bush suggest it? Newsweek pretty much said it all when they said Obama and Bush were the same. But I will say this; if a real war hero asks me to post his email—even a vet in support of Obama—I will post it. It is incumbent on anyone who has had to watch friends die and risk dying themselves to “advise” the president. What service were you in again, Mike?

      • Mike says:

        To gcdaz: “Always been a christian nation?” In the beginning there was little else. Most were illiterate. The church had all power over all people. (see The Mission) (ask the Hawaiians) & as for the Jews, Muslims, & American Indians that Effectively served? “No bush/cheney support on this blog?” Little to NO Support or respect, or Truth for the President Elect that Is Salvaging the remains left by those that Broke us! “Fascism, Communism?” For the past 8 years perhaps, but who mentioned it besides you? & why? “Out of Afghanistan?” In as many months as bushCo. had Years, the likes of you expect BHS to do what bushCo. did Not? Clinton was ridiculed, & stopped by the R’s when attempting to drop a Bomb on Bin laden’s head! In Afghanistan! They claimed he was detracting from his Impeachment “Quote: Ensign & Sanford!” who claim “God told me to stay in office” while using Our Tax $ to Hypocritically Fornicate & Cover up! The Afghan/Pakistan situation has Far Worsened over the past 8 years, & was covered Up! This was recently exposed! “What Health Care is about?” Reagan/bush & bush /cheney Deregulated Health Care & Banks! How many families lost Homes & Loved ones due to Deregulated Co$t$ & Refusals of Care under Their Watch? “Patriot Act?” Why should all questionable methods be reserved for repubs only? “They” Can, others Can’t? Some of it must be Temporarily left in place ’till we get out of “Their Mess!” It Has changed some. “bush & Obama the same? bushCo. Promised to “bring Integrity to the White House” He instead Lied us into an Illegal War for Profit, Promised “Cheap Oil Prices” Like the Prices?, the loss of Life? the Surplus replaced with the Largest Debt? Plus Interest owed to the Communists? & committed Treason to Cover it Up! & the Obama likeness to bush would be? Where were You on this for 8 Years? Where’s the out rage from this War hero Estes on this? If you can’t see this for yourself, is it predisposed denial? When was the last time you had a President with so much Clean Up to do, in so little time, that was Actually Elected? “If a Real War Hero asks me to post”: That would disclude bush/cheney, rumsfeld, rove…

  9. Duane says:

    People, people just stop all the bickering. I looked up Mr. Harold B. Estes on Bing and sorry to tell y’all this, but the man is real. All you have to do is look around and you will find the truth. Yes he is right about our so called President not doing as he said he would be after taking office. I want to see our Constitution changed to where anyone that is to be our president and lead our military has to have served and been willing to give their life for this Country. Otherwise how can one be a leader if they don’t know the inside workings of our military. All that person can do is turn it upside down. I was in the Marines and I do not trust this man to do as he has said. He is a lier. No I will not say I am sorry as that Congressman from SC was forced to say.
    Have a great day and God bless America
    Duane, Semper Fi

  10. Diana Barnes says:

    As of Dec 3, 2009, Urban Legends has verified that indeed Harold B Estes is a real person, who will be 95 on Dec 13 and he did write this letter. It was mailed directly to the White House with copies sent to friends. See the Urban Legends site for full explanation

  11. Mike says:

    NOTE: I received four more of these types of comments and realize now that it is probably spam. If you are the author of these comments and you really write in this incoherent fashion, you may contact me via email and I will let them through if you really want to continue looking like a babbling idiot. For other bloggers, I believe this is spam and you might want to add this name and E-mail to your spam filter.

    Simple Is: Why so much drama over one mans misguided letter? So the guy is “real”. Is this Estes guy any more a hero than say JFK? I lost a couple Uncles in the same war. (Kamikaze attacks.) They gave their All. My Father did Reconnaissance missions in the South Pacific, same war, only he never Bailed Out on his crew when the plane caught fire. He would also Never accept accolades for inaccurate accounts of a Presidents record, nor would or should he be praised for taking ones words out of context, or Twisting the Truth of ones words!: “We’re no longer a Christian Nation” How Contemptuous! President Obama never said these words! Nor did he imply so! But, to those that seem to find some “Integrity” in the past 8 years of destruction, deception, denial, & vindication, this sensationalism is just more of the same. As long as a Service man can be Used to bastardize a President Elect, who has done no ‘W’rong, the Hypocrites, & the so called Patriots, will neoContinue to patronize each other in the name of God & Country, in error & aroggance!

    • gcdaz says:

      I presume, by your incoherent tirade, that you are a supporter of Obama. Good on you. You are one of the 28% of Americans that approve of his performance (according to today’s poll). You support a string of broken promises, trillions of dollars that your children and their children will have to pay. Your support of anyone using tyranny from the Oval Office shows your total lack of ignorance of the Constitution that Master Chief Estes and others fought to preserve. You believe in global warming and this person signing treaties that will give Al Gore billions of dollars from false science. A false science that will bring “carbon taxes” on poor Americans who are struggling, right now, just to survive. You support a Federal Reserve that got us in this mess. President’s have little to do with the monetary situation and Congress unconstitutionally gave up that duty in 1913. You should really do some study, then come back. I will always have a forum for you to say whatever it was you said because Master Chief Estes, and others like him, fought for that right. At least, until Obama’s “Computer Czar” starts shutting down the Internet.

      It might also interest you to know that when we were a “Christian Nation,” which Obama did imply we are not, we were the strongest, most prosperous country in the world. That no one with a brain can deny. It is only when we removed God from our country and gave control of our money to private corporations that we began to fail.

  12. rc says:

    I think that everyone needs to take a step back. You are putting blam where blam doesn’t belong. The problems that we face in this nation (which by the way IS the best nation in the world) are not made by any President nor his cabinet. They are basically just puppets to the Congress and to the rich people. If you ever notice that all of the important things that most effect the majority of the citizens of this nation are bounced back and forth again and again between the to houses of Congress until each of the RICH BASTARDS get what they want. Has an true red blooded American really gotten the things that we truely need to live and survive? Who got all of the money with the bailouts that we tax payers are footing the bill for? Who is still getting richer and richer with the high price of oil (all types to include natural gas)? Gee it’s the rich getting richer and the working class (the majority of the citizens of this country) getting poorer. Last I knew we are at WAR. Then envoke the WAR POWERS ACT and force the oil companies to make only a few cents not many dollars on oil products. Did you notice the last price jump in gas occurred just after an oil company CLOSED a refinery in New Jersey because it was costing them a few milliion to opperate it (only at 40-60% capacity)? So back off the head of our country. The people voted and he was elected. Try targeting those old farts that haven’t been in the “real world” working for a living in the Congress. Let’s get some new BLUE COLLAR people elected to run this country after all blue collar people seem to be able to run a business more effectively then the rich folk.

    • gcdaz says:

      I think that you hit the nail on the head. Keep in mind that it is not a sin to be rich. Just ask televangelists such as Pat Roberts. It really is not. It is what you do with your wealth that creates the problems. When you go after the “Joe the Plumbers” of the world who are trying to reach the Obama tax mark of $250,000 a year (which will be the poverty level in the next year unless we end the Federal Reserve), there is something wrong with this picture. It is the evil intent behind the wealth that I deplore. There have always been rich and poor. But when you go to oppress the poor or prevent them from using their ingenuity to rise to the level of the rich, you have transgressed. The problem is the private consortium that controls the wealth, not the actors that they hire to pretend to be elected presidents. By the content of your comment, I am glad to see that there are some independent thinkers who think “outside the party,” besides myself. The two party system was a bane to George Washington and now we have “scientific proof” he was right.

  13. Ral says:

    Your initial posting is incorrect. Snopes, “Correctly Attributed”
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/haroldestes.asp
    Right wing propaganda?
    No! Just an American Citizen speaking his mind.
    Hey pal grow an American Citizen “Sack” and thank that old Geezer if the chair you sit in is on Free American soil.

    • gcdaz says:

      Snopes changes daily. When I initially investigated they had it listed as unconfirmed. I contacted someone directly. As for the rest of your post, thumbs up.

  14. Scott says:

    According to snopes it is now verified as true. Also other sites such as about.com also verify the letter. My opinion falls way outside party lines…Repub or Dem, Left or Right I say No Government is good for indviduals & individual rights. If big brother would get out of the way & people take responsibility for themselves & thier families we wouldnt be a divided nation & all this nonsense would be a moot point. Ok my 3 cents (sorry I went a penny over)
    Toodles

    • gcdaz says:

      This was verified by our friends before Snopes. We were among the first to verify it and publish on it. The problem is that people are worrying about someone else writing letters instead of writing letters of their own. They are worried more about who is next to leave “Lost” instead of the Liberties they have lost since the Roosevelt administration.

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